Galaxy EVO Hardpoint problem....

[Centurus]

I've posted this problem over at Dynaverse, but no one's responded yet. Hopefully I'll have more luck here.

Anyway, here's the situation.

I successfully got the Galaxy EVO working in SFC3. In 3DS Max 5, I hardpointed the model and damage pointed it as well. The damage points seem to be working nicely, and the specs, as far as I can tell, are working beautifully for the ship. She's got 17 phasers, all type 11F, and 8 Quantum Torpedoes; 25 weapons total.

In the refit screen, everything shows up, everything is refittable, and all the arcs for each weapons point shows up when you click the Arc View button at the refit screen. When a mission loads though, the very last hardpoint, number 25, doesn't show up in mission. It doesn't show up in the UI for the ship in mission. Doesn't show, doesn't fire, like it doesn't exist.

I've double checked, triple checked the model itself and the hardpoints, and everything is in order, I've double checked and triple checked the specs I wrote up for her, and went over the ship in the SFC3 Hardpoint Placement Editor at least 50 times, and still, in game, the damn thing doesn't want to show. It shows in the refit screen, and I know its active, but in mission, it's just gone. I can't figure it out.

I'm honestly thinking of taking out a couple hardpoints of the ship, reducing the total weapons loadout to a total of 23 weapons overall, or just deleting that last torpedo hardpoint and having only 4 forward firing torps and 3 aft firing.

I really want to get this 25th hardpoint working properly, so if anyone knows what's going on, I'd really appreciate it if they let me know. I know it can't be the fact that I have 17 phasers on it, cause I've hardpointed ships with more than 11 phasers before, all with 100% success.

Any ideas?

[Wicked Zombie]

I wasn't aware SFC3 supported more than 22 hardpoints, though I hadn't had much use for more. Anyway, my suggestion is to nix a few of the HPs and try to conform to the best suited weapon locations on the model. No, er, point, in having a photon hardpoint where there isn't a launcher, for example.

You can then adjust for the reduced hardpoints by tweaking the weapon loadouts and spec limits.

[Centurus]

I might have to do that.

When I've bashed your ships, I learned how to hardpoint the model itself in 3DS Max so the weapons come out where they're supposed to, and I did that exact thing with the EVO before creating her loadout.

All 24 other weapons work properly, and like I said, the 25th weapon, the last torpedo, shows up in the refit screen, and it can be refitted, but still, it's like it doesn't exist when I load up a mission.

[Centurus]

Good news and bad news.

Let's start with the good news first.

First off, the GalaxyEVO for SFC3 is pretty much finished. Just gotta write up some background story for the ship, and she's ready to fly, with specs included. This ship is a BEAST!!!! Don't take it on unless you want to die.

Bad news. Apparently the refit screen in game will only recognize hardpoint 25, but the rest of the game can only use 24 hardpoints. Hardpoint 25 can never be used when in a mission. I found this out by trying to equip several other ships, including stock ships, with hardpoint 25, and even though it shows up at the refit screen, it will not show up at all in mission. Like it was never there to begin with.

So, now this is how the Galaxy EVO stands for SFC3. She will come equipped with 17 phasers, type 11F, and 7 Quantum torpedoes, 4 fore, 3 aft. The specs that I will include with the ship HAVE ONLY BEEN USED WITH A FRESH INSTALLED PATCHED T 534B!!! I'm going to include this with the readme. You'd be surprised at how many people download a ship, install it, and find that it won't work, and most of the time, they're installing it into say GAW, IW, NDF, or Dominion Wars, or other mods. Oh well.

WZ, I really appreciate your help with this. I've asked several different places, but yet only a few bothered to even respond.

If you want, I can provide you with the copy of D'Deridex's SFC3 Hardpoint Placement Editor that has more than 22 weapons hardpoints.

Who knows, maybe I'm wrong about the 25th hardpoint, and you can get it to work one of these days. *shrugs* Oh well.

Thanks again.

[cls prime]

Sounds like you may have entered in the hardpoint arc wrong, sometimes that happens to me when I enter in hardpoint with wordpad.

[Centurus]

Nope. If the hardpoint was entered wrong, it wouldn't even show up at all in the game.

I do remember a similar issue with Joker's original Reliant E model. Although the ship worked in game with the provided specs, one of the hardpoints wouldn't fire, BUT, it would show up both at the refit screen and in mission, AND, that particular hardpoint's arc wasn't viewable unless you went into the specs directly and looked at the arc.

The problem I had was number 25 showed up at the refit screen, refittable, arc viewable, but in mission it disappeared completely.

After I started this thread, I tried several experiments with hardpoint 25. The simplest one, change a hardpoint on an existing ship, even stock, and rename it hardpoint 25. I didn't have to bother with actually editting the model itself in Max to add the hardpoint, since the lack of a hardpoint on the actual model doesn't really make any difference.

Anyway, in all my tests, hardpoint 25 would only show up at the refit screen, but would always disappear when the game loaded a mission.

So, no, I didn't enter the hardpoint arc wrong. Thanks for the effort though.

[SPApropos]

well hey man, i've been by a few difffernt forums, and if u goto puterz it seams they have had the same problem. atm it looks like one of the bugs that got missed during patching... bummer that... but good luck!

[Centurus]

Yep, that was me also. :-D