Galaxy Class (Future Design)

[Potvin7883]

Ya know, I remember watching the last episode of STNG I forget the title, but it had Picard jumping from Past, Present, and Future versions of himself. In the process there was a cut scene in which the Enterprise-D battled some ships and was noticably modified ,it had three nacelles instead of the standard 2. The 3rd was put amid-ships on the engineering hull, this at the time of the episode was the future Enterprise, did you ever consider making a mod like this ?

[Chris Johnson]

Well Potvin, I do know in a Dynaverse.net thread he made that he mentioned he was doing a Galaxy-class model. Yet in that same thread (He was working on the Mnemosyne-class U.S.S. Titan you can get now.) he wasn't going to do an X-version of his Mnemosyne-class as one asked of. Keep in mind, the Mnemosyne-class has the basic configuration of a Galaxy-class (although in entirety borrows designs from the Galaxy, Ambassador, and Sovereign-class starships).
So that knowing he wouldn't do one for that model (as it would be fanboy-ish-looking and unappealing to him and myself and some others similar in taste), I doubt for a Galaxy-class model that he would do an X-refit like that. As I said before, I'm not him. He might do it, but I believe that chance is slim at best, if not zero.

[Wicked Zombie]

To make a Galaxy-X I would need a regular Galaxy first and from the looks of things I probably won't have a finished one for some time. When I ever do get it completed, I may make the Galaxy-X version.

The ship has some questionable design traits, however. The third nacelle is damned close to the shuttlebay (and is mostly blocked by the saucer), those odd fins on the pylons don't seem to serve any real purpose, and the bridge guns/sensors/whatever are a bit distracting.

The Galaxy class isn't the most modifiable design anyway, and all those hotrod additions tend to break up the shape.

The ship does look cool blasting holes in Klingon warships though, which was probably the whole point of those changes for the TNG finale. That, and to make it look more advanced and futuristic, or at least different from the other two Ent-D's in the episode.

[Centurus]

Also, FYI, the final episode of TNG was All Good Things.....

[CaptainPierce]

The thing that makes the most sense about the Galaxy-X, frighteningly enough, is the uberphaser under the primary hull (even if it does make it unlikely that the saucer section could separate anymore ). But you could rationalize that uberphaser as being derived from the deflector weapon that they cooked up in "Best of Both Worlds"--sure, it didn't work against the Borg, but who's to say it wouldn't work against the Klingons, Romulans, Dominion, etc...

[Centurus]

Personally, I think the 3rd nacelle would make sense if they had it angled away from the ship a bit, so as to not have it blocking the shuttlebays. My two cents.

[Chris Johnson]

It doesn't make sense to me. Add to that, it shouldn't make much sense anyway, unless Q wanted to be more "logical" to Starfleet tech development. Somehow I doubt it, so he just made it look fancy. Even though it was explained that there were two coils in each warp nacelle and made it possible to have three, I don't see the point other than making it look cool. Sure, the Olympic-class at the time was probably more-advanced in Warp technology, but like the Intrepid-class, it proves you don't need big warp nacelles, let alone in numbers (higher than two), to go very fast. I wonder what kind-of newer warp system they're using, or if they went back to the TOS scale. If so, for what reason?

So the third nacelle makes no sense to me as to it appearing. The big phaser cannon (or "cutting phaser" as I heard one described it during an old and extinct mid-1990s Star Trek RPG called "The Seventh Fleet" that I read on back then) can make sense. Naturally like it could've been for the Constitution-class from the 2240s to the 2260s (and onto the TMP era), that tech could be quickly outdated, especially with (as stated before) newer threats requiring something like this. It could be said that in this hypothetical future, the Enterprise-D was retrofitted for such a threat and had her role changed from a deep-space explorer to a warship, much like how Starfleet vessels were in the 2370s; an "explorer" in name only. Although I guess most of the comforts the Enterprise-D had were still there.
I find no explination for the "fins" and other gadget stuff on there other than it being there to look more like a hot rod. Did Tom Paris make Admiral and oversaw the refit?

[John Doe]

in that cut you were talking about.... there was also an enourmous phaser cannon that blasted through the.... ummm..... romulan?...... ships. It wasn't just a third nacelle that mad it so special... it also had a cloak and a holo-emitter not unlike that of the USS incursion ;D

[CaptainPierce]

The thing about AGT is, even if the stuff in the future is just Q screwing with them, there has to be at least some relation to "real" Federation technology, or Picard would just be sitting there saying the same things we are. (Yes, it's Q's future, so one could argue that he's screwing with Picard's perception of the "reality" of this future--but then that would invalidate the whole point of having Picard figure things out for himself, wouldn't it?) There has to be some rationale for the third nacelle and speeds above Warp 10; I tend to think that two are related somehow--perhaps the Federation's version of "transwarp" (or slipstream, or coaxial, or whatever Voyager technobabble you want to use here ) requires three nacelles for some reason. I forget if the Pasteur ever broke Warp 10 in AGT; if it did, obviously that theory's out the window...

[Potvin7883]

I'm glad I tapped into something that got peoples attention, I have downloaded the M-Ship(Mnemosyne-class U.S.S. Titan), It's a beast(only ship that I know of that could be a Cube in under 5 minutes, with the right weapons of course.) . But I figured I suggest it and see what WZ would say. It would make a cool concept though. Fan-Boyish yes, of course it is. But if your modding, wouldn't that be as some sort of fandom ?

[Potvin7883]

Guest-Potvin7883 said:

I'm glad I tapped into something that got peoples attention, I have downloaded the M-Ship(Mnemosyne-class U.S.S. Titan), It's a beast(only ship that I know of that could beat a Cube in under 5 minutes, with the right weapons of course.) . But I figured I suggest it and see what WZ would say. It would make a cool concept though. Fan-Boyish yes, of course it is. But if your modding, wouldn't that be as some sort of fandom ?

[Chris Johnson]

Pierce, when they went to the Devron system (the Pasteur in question), they did so at "Warp 13", whatever that scale is. Because it is in Q's perception of the future that Picard was stuck in, it is only canon in said way. In "Timeless" [VGR], the Challenger had no such modifications, although she had some type of refit, otherwise the Delta Flyer would've pounded on her shields a bit, rather than appear as a harmless fly when compared to 2390s tech.
It's canon that uniforms would have some subtle changes, and yes, the AGT future pins and perhaps the uniforms would make it. I guess Q oversaw that when he made the Antitime Future. There's no canon evidence outside of that which proves its existance in our quantum reality (reference to "Parallels" [TNG]).

Guest-Potvin7883 said:

But if your modding, wouldn't that be as some sort of fandom ?

Yes, but you're misinterpreting what I define as "fanboy-ish". A "Fanboy-ish" design would look something like the Sovereign-class. Unnecessarily-big and/or long nacelles, more looks, armed to the teeth, perhaps three or more nacelles, big impulse engines probably having warp pylons in the way (Enterprise-B/Lakota, anyone?), large and super-powerful canons, all the fins maybe. Something like that. "Super-cool" and overpowered, and maybe a form that doesn't follow function.
The Mnemosyne-class isn't truely fanboy-ish in my opinion, but rather a neat design that although looks cool, still has a function and unique beauty that was cleverly-derived from the last three Enterprises (Ent-C, Ent-D, Ent-E), perhaps truely built as a deep-space explorer this time around, and not one in name only like the Sovereign-class. I would even call some canonical ships "fanboy-ish". Ships like the Sovereign-class (especially in ST: Nemesis), the Prometheus-class, perhaps the Defiant-class, the AGT Galaxy-class refit, Voyager at "Endgame"... I can think of more if I want to, but it wouldn't be much more. *shrug*
But you get the idea of my definition, right?

[CaptainPierce]

Well, there's that theory out the window.

[Starforce2]

Supposedly the fins on the back fire phasers foreward much like the fins on I think the runabout. The bridge guns are aa form of federation disruptor technology apaprently. Perhaps they could be polaron based, resulting from captured dominion tech and serve the saucer better when separated.

[Potvin7883]

Sorry, been busy blowin' up frigates and brigs in the carribean. I get it now, but still. At the time of the episode, it appeared that the Federation was in a war footing, I think that Riker even mentioned it. Well, whatever Q wanted to happen, happened. I just thought it would be interesting to see how a mod of this fashion. At least take it into consideration.