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Post by pepperman on Nov 11, 2005 14:32:27 GMT -5
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Post by admiralross on Dec 12, 2005 19:51:11 GMT -5
what sort of genius is this person.
The fella who made them thinks the Miranda Class is the Avenger Class...
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Post by Atolm on Dec 13, 2005 15:23:19 GMT -5
It "was" the Avenger both as a Name as the ship to also the class durring preproduction
It is like calling the 1701 refit and "A" versions as Enterprise-class rather than calling it Constitution
and the Defiant-class, USS Defiant during preproduction was called Valliant and her class was going to be Valliant-class
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Post by S33K100 on Dec 15, 2005 16:43:22 GMT -5
Yes, but then they changed their minds and decided on Defiant, so the class is the Defiant class, and the Valiant is just another ship-of-the-line (I know that's not the correct usage of ship-of-the-line but meh). And Enterprise class has on-screen evidence - in STII IIRC the words Enterprise class are visible on a turbolift door at some point. The precedent for Constitution Refit is from the innacurate plans Scott was reading in STVI. I don't see why people are so adamant to preserve the name Avenger - it's a really sh*tty name for a Federation starship, I can't buy into them naming a whole class after such a concept as vengeance. A bit like naming a class the Vendetta class.
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Post by Atolm on Dec 15, 2005 20:36:47 GMT -5
Gene Said the Connie refit is a Constitution class then that is what it is
same holds true with the TOS Connie...Gene Said it was a Connie, then that is what it is
so that will always end that discussion....As for the name Avenger it is not a bad name for a fed ship, but it does hint towards a more millitaristic side of Starfleet
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Post by Atolm on Dec 15, 2005 20:38:26 GMT -5
And if ST 5 & 6 are not canon then so be it...LOL
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Post by anthsco on Jan 11, 2006 16:36:37 GMT -5
I have a propsal for you guys: How about I make PDF files for this forum of the blueprints? Would you guys and gals like that?  Eh? Hmmmm? Let me know, like I have not already started right?  Semper Fi, Carry On |
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Post by anthsco on Jan 13, 2006 14:46:28 GMT -5
I have completed the Whitefire Galaxy blueprints, the Enterprise E and C and the Klingon BOP.
If anyone wants them, drop me a line.
Semper Fi, Carry On
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Post by CaptainPierce on Jan 13, 2006 20:04:55 GMT -5
You have to remember that pretty much everything on that site is self-published fan work, or very near to it. None of it (with the possible exception of Sternbach's repackage of Whitefire's Galaxy blueprints, if that's listed on there, I can't remember) has any stamp of officialdom at all (except that Roddenberry is alleged to have signed off on Franz Joseph's original blueprints  ). Dissing something like the "Avenger" blueprints for not mentioning a name that didn't even exist for some years after they were published it a bit harsh, guys... ;D |
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Post by anthsco on Jan 14, 2006 17:23:00 GMT -5
Yeah, i know all about the "Canon vs non-Canon" debate.. However, as a graphic designer and soon-to-be trained-d modeler, I know that I like to have the blueprints in a format where i can have them where I can actually spread them out.  Besides, I am doing this for all my fellow modelers out there who merely want their models to be in proper scale. Btw, Ent-A and Ent-B are now complete. If anyone wants them, just drop me a line...these PDF files are kinda big. ;D Semper fi, Carry On |
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Post by CaptainPierce on Jan 16, 2006 23:12:42 GMT -5
Sorry, although that may have sounded like a shot at you, anthsco (or indeed anyone else in this thread  ), it wasn't meant that way, just an attempt at dispensing some general information... and I probably wouldn't even have bothered, but honestly I didn't know what the deal was with most of this stuff when I first saw it, so I'm just trying to clear up some of the confusion that I had to deal with... And I'm certainly not trying to disrespect, or discredit, or otherwise "diss" any of what this dude has spent so much time scanning, or what the people who made the blueprints he's scanned spent so much time drawing in the first place, back (mostly) before computers would have made it so much easier. ;D |
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Post by anthsco on Jan 17, 2006 22:59:14 GMT -5
Enterpise A-E done, Grissom done, Rom and Klink BOP done.
Just a little update for you guys.
In progress: Enterprise Constitution.
Semper Fi, Carry On
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). Dissing something like the "Avenger" blueprints for not mentioning a name that didn't even exist for some years after they were published it a bit harsh, guys... ;D
), it wasn't meant that way, just an attempt at dispensing some general information... and I probably wouldn't even have bothered, but honestly I didn't know what the deal was with most of this stuff when I first saw it, so I'm just trying to clear up some of the confusion that I had to deal with...