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Post by Wicked Zombie on Mar 23, 2005 17:07:38 GMT -5
This marks the eighth time I've remade this ship, each one more different from the last. I intended for this one to be close to canon so that I can de-fit it into the standard Excelsior and Excelsior MK II. There's a few variations compared to the canon versions, explained by the fact that though it's an Excelsior, it's a relatively 'new' hull and not an 80 year old ship. It's safe to assume that in all those years, the Excelsior underwent a few production-run upgrades to it's design, much like modern aircraft and sea ships have noticeable differences compared to their older versions. So the Relentless could either be one of these 'modern' Excelsiors, or a late-model Excelsior that underwent extensive upgrades.   |
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Post by Chris Johnson on Mar 24, 2005 1:15:35 GMT -5
My only nitpick is that you're using the "boom" or whatever you would call the Enterprise-B's modification to the secondary hull that made it more bulky and less-streamlined in my opinion. Oh well, I'm sure you can prove me wrong and make it a positive attribute to the ship when you're done with it. There's no doubt about it, since you put what you want to your meshes, and I see nothing wrong with that, so excuse the nitpick, it's nothing. The mesh is perfectly fine as is.
Other than that, I would perfectly believe a ship like this could be some last-model production of an eight-decade old design that was drastically improved. Since I feel canon isn't a problem, I could imagine that, if not the "Proto-Nebula" model, then an Excelsior-class like this one you're making could be the Melbourne from Wolf 359, due to the high registry number (NCC-62043), and could be the same with other ships like the Crazy Horse (NCC-50446).
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Post by CptSavage on Mar 24, 2005 1:55:02 GMT -5
Wow....But Nitpick.....All I was gonna say was....
"Holy Crap, I love it...but are you sure you really need to Ent-B/Lakota buldges?"
Eh...Who Cares, You're the artist, make it any damn way you want.
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Post by Wicked Zombie on Mar 24, 2005 10:42:35 GMT -5
If I didn't 'need' the bulges, I probably wouldn't have spent long hours making and remaking them... It's interesting that nobody made these same comments on the last version. Of course most were too busy pointing out how I "forgot" the lower hull bay and that the engines were too big and too small at the same time. Most criticisms on the ship spring from not liking the Enterprise B, of which this one is obviously based on. Put simply, if you don't like the Enterprise B, then you aren't going to like the Relentless so there's not much point in debating the details. The bulges are staying, if for no other reason than out of spite.  |
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Post by Centurus on Mar 24, 2005 19:44:05 GMT -5
WZ, if anything, the only nitpick I have is that....YOU'RE TEASING ME AGAIN WITH WIP SHOTS AND ME WANT THE SHIP!!! Personally, I love both variants of the Excelsior, or should I say the original Excelsior design and the Enterprise B refit. In fact, since you've done this mesh, I might see what I can do about maybe doing my own registries for the ship, that is if you're going to provide blank textures for registries. Please?  :-D |
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Post by Wicked Zombie on Mar 24, 2005 21:01:44 GMT -5
I don't mind nitpicks, but since I've heard these same arguments before it gets a bit monotonous. Not to mention having to build the ship twice doesn't help my stance on things (the first attempt got corrupted/erased rather unexpectedly). Everyone does the traditional style hull and nobody ever does the Enterprise-B or anything like it, for whatever reasons. That's why I decided to go for the challenging route which also gives the ship a more unique look. However, I'm leaving off those redundant side impulse engines - even I have limits I will probably make blanks as that's my standard practice now with the major ships. |
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Post by Chris Johnson on Mar 25, 2005 2:46:43 GMT -5
You have a point there, many had done the standardized Excelsior-class from Star Trek VI and done TNG versions (glowing warp grilles) as well... But personally, I'd like to see something like a standard Excelsior-class done by you, although I have no problem with you not doing such. It's a matter of taste, I guess. And I find it better when people (at least in cases like model-building) do what they want without bowing down to anyone's suggestions or nitpicks. And usually that, despite this or that, you do incredibly-good jobs at models you make in your own image.
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Post by Bernard Guignard on Mar 26, 2005 11:14:14 GMT -5
Do what you enjoy doing WZ. I like those warp engines by the way. ;D Looking foward to the final results.  |
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Post by Wicked Zombie on Mar 26, 2005 13:24:55 GMT -5
Well, I do have a canon Excelsior on the list. Part of the reason for building ships like the Relentless and Sorcerer is to fine-tune my methods and get used to working on the Excelsior design. The advantage of these canon-based ships is I don't have to spend added time making them accurate because they're essentially 'new'.
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Post by CptSavage on Mar 26, 2005 13:52:18 GMT -5
You have a point there, many had done the standardized Excelsior-class from Star Trek VI and done TNG versions (glowing warp grilles) as well... But personally, I'd like to see something like a standard Excelsior-class done by you, although I have no problem with you not doing such. It's a matter of taste, I guess. And I find it better when people (at least in cases like model-building) do what they want without bowing down to anyone's suggestions or nitpicks. And usually that, despite this or that, you do incredibly-good jobs at models you make in your own image. Still as...well.....Well Said as always CJ. |
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Post by S33K100 on Mar 29, 2005 9:21:19 GMT -5
Well all I can say is that this rocks even more than the last Relentless, till that one I'd not really liked the ship at all, but the use of the Ent-B as a template was very brave considering the amount of unwarranted flak that design gets. I must second Daihak that you're teasing us with these pics WZ LOL  |
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